Posts by Village Idiot

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Regarding Dates---Have The Witnesses Ever Been Correct On Any Of Them?

by minimus in

i can't think of any chronology that has not been changed.

even their "absolute" dates are suspect.

Village Idiot

Simon, why is my text coming out as a solid block when I separate them into paragraphs?

Edit: If I double tap on the paragraphs it comes out like the above. ???

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Regarding Dates---Have The Witnesses Ever Been Correct On Any Of Them?

by minimus in

i can't think of any chronology that has not been changed.

even their "absolute" dates are suspect.

OneEyedJoe:

"I often wonder how many jws there would be had they not gotten lucky with 1914. They got thee month wrong, but that kept me thinking "what if they're right?" for a long time." Actually they unpredicted 1914. The exact opposite of what they predicted including no international war on that date was the most humiliating thing that could have happened to them. Let me give the general background on the original 1914 teaching. They thought that the last days was the time period between 1799 and 1914. Armageddon was supposed to have been a 40 year period dating from 1874 to 1914. It did not consist of war, famine and earthquakes like Matthew 24:6-7 clearly stated but it was to be a 'social' Armageddon with an escalating dissolution of society due to social unrest culminating with downright fratricide between government, false religion, unions and what have you. According to them the prophecy of Matthew 24 referred to the last 1800 years beginning with Jesus' statement. 1914 was supposed to be the beginning of the Millennium which was to usher a period of peace. Here is the unprediction part. The Watchtower in the years leading to 1914 specifically said that there would be no wars in the time period of Armageddon or if it did happen it would be of minor significance. The Watchtower in the 1880s made that statement because its readers started thinking that there would be war because the political situation in Europe looked like there would be an outright war which would involve all of Europe. The reason those readers thought that was because the newspapers of that time kept mentioning how volatile Europe was. Charles Russell's response was that which I mentioned above. No world war or insignificant war by 1905. The reason he said that was based on his 'social' Armageddon which had no room for a war in which a victor would come out. Such a belief in war would have delayed the meticulous 1874 - 1914 prophecies in which there were to be no victors at all but the culmination of Armageddon where all nations would have sunk into chaos and self destruction. Since 1914 was supposed to have been the beginning of Jesus peaceful reign everything Russell predicted about Armageddon had to have happened by 1914. As the years approached 1914 without that 'social' Armageddon happening Russell, in 1905, seeing that nothing was happening as he predicted had a change of mind. in 1905 (If I remember correctly.) he spoke of a final "windup" in which everything that he predicted would accelerate and happen in a few years before or slightly after 1914. Still no wars, earthquakes or famine, but the same 'social' Armageddon. So guess what happened and on what date it happened? They claimed, after the start of the war, that they predicted what was to be World War I! It was some years afterwards that the organization dumped everything that Russell predicted and claimed that 1914 was the beginning of the end - bye bye 1799. This was the original 1914 which flopped big time but was salvaged later on with the last generation argument that they changed in the 1990s. Nothing, absolutely nothing including WWI came to pass as he predicted. Russell died in 1916 without changing the text from his book The Time is at Hand even though he had extensively changed all the minor secondary prophecies about the 40 year period of 1874 - 1914 in multiple editions of his 6 volume series. My sources are the book by Carl Jonsson The Gentile Times Reconsidered: Chronology and Christ's Return, Russell's book The Time is at Hand and the original bound volumes of the Watchtower.

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It must be of concern to the GB with all the information that is been leaked now

by joe134cd in

i was just watching cedars prank call to tomo3.

by the way lloyd very well done and totally funny.

but on a more serious note (and i think what must be of concern to the gb) are the amount of leaks that must be occurring at a senior level or at least by a person who has access to sensitive information.

Village Idiot

In my opinion t's best not to mention this too much because they might read it and be provoked into starting a witch hunt in Bethel.

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Man is designed to be God-oriented, shows new scientific study!

by abiather in

meditation slows age-related loss of grey matter in the brain, finds a new study.

(http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150205142951.htm) (see also http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/10/health/can-meditation-really-slow-aging/index.html).

when we eat certain type of food, it shows how it affects our body.

Village Idiot

cofty: "Faith is for lazy people. It is a substitute for thinking."

There are scientists who are both rational in their respective fields but nonetheless have faith in a god. A good example is John Cook who's the administrator for skepticalscience.com, a website dedicated to proving man made global warming. He is an evangelical Christian who nonetheless says that religion and science should remain separate.

I was surprised when I heard about him but I know that some people could compartmentalize their minds containing both rational and irrational thoughts in the same brain.

I've run into other educated professionals who are similar in holding both faith and science in the same mind.

By the way, I am an atheist not a believer.

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Everyday expressions used by JWs that are NOT in the bible...

by stuckinarut2 in

reading another thread made me realise that there are numerous expressions used as everyday witness terminology, that is not in the bible.... such as:.

governing body.

paradise earth.

Village Idiot

"This system of things."

"The new order."

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2014 Watchtower Library CD (very discreetly) changed the Insight article on Faithful and Discreet Slave

by Gilgamesh in

the updated article on the "fds" makes several changes although it still lists the article/entry as if it had come from the 1988 edition of insight on the scriptures, vol.

(1co 3:2, 5; 4:1, 2; compare mt 4:4.

at the same time the individual members making up such composite body, or the domestics making up the house of god (mt 24:45; heb 3:6; eph 2:19), would also be recipients of the food dispensed.

Village Idiot

They did the same thing with the Watchtower article that stated the end would come by the year 2,000. The bound volume version changed the word 2,000 to before our "lifetime".

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The Adventures of JWCart and "I-Am-The-Cart" TWITTER, SOON! I will up-build you till you return to our Loving Organization!

by JWCart1975 in

i talked with my pusher, puller i mean, she's really pissed off i opened up a twitter account she's threatening to drive her car over my frame if i misbehave and more, so much for my point of view.

after much deliberation, we decided she could count her field service minutes only if people see my pretty logo (jw.org), finally she took me off the roof-rack and returned me to my right place, passenger side.

in the passenger's seat of our car, i smile at the homeless people walking the streets, "can we pull over and talk to them, can you buy them something to eat?

Village Idiot

With all respect why would you adopt such a name? Amusing as the cart thing is it is it's too trivial a subject for a name.

Anyways, welcome to the forum.

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Mom says, "CO says there's only 15 years left!"

by Separation of Powers in

i don't typically hear from my mom often, but i tell you, over the past couple of weeks, i have heard from her several times.

you heard the comment about "our way of worship will be altered" and thank you for your posts by the way....but yesterday, she calls and is asking about the kids and then, in typical jw fashion mind you, says:.

"you know, you should really get back to meetings.

Village Idiot

I was in my teenage years during the 1975 fiasco. I was not much of a '75 person, more of a 1914+generation believer but I still took it somewhat seriously.

Two things about '75 stood out.

First was the mid-week meeting. They were reading from the kingdom ministry paper. It was the part where they said that there where "reports of brothers selling their homes and spending the remaining time available pioneering".

Then there was Freddie the chronological voodoo priest. I went to a meeting at the forum stadium in Inglewood, California (where they played basketball) where Freddie gave a talk on 1975. There was a packed audience with seats at the floor of the court (10,000?).

It was a long talk where he started with the creation of the universe, went through human history - a la Bible - and climaxed at 1975 which he explained in detail. And there was a detail about '75 that I never hear mentioned amongst the 'Apostate' community. It was the "Adam and Eve gap".

The Adam and Eve gap was the time period between the creation of Adam and the creation of Eve. It was only when Adam were both together that the 6,000 year period began and it would affect the beginning of the Millennium - the last 1,000 year of God's final 'creative day of 7,000. That Adam and Eve gap could have been months or years (actually up to 130 years before Seth's birth minus the amount of time it took for Cain and Abel to grow until one killed the other).

Freddie explained in meticulous detail how the Adam and Eve gap could affect the 'Great Tribulation. Based on his explanation the tribulation could actually start within several months to several years after October of 1975. On a bizarre note, even though that gap could have lasted for decades Freddie said that it would not. The reason? If Adam had no Eve for several decades he would have been tempted into bestiality. Yes, that was his phrasing. I actually recorded that but I don't know what happened to the recording cassette.

This was the type of reasoning that kept me from wearing orthopedic braces to correct my scoliosis. To this day I walk with a crooked back.

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Can we be deleted as an appointed man, or disfellowshipped without meeting in a committee?

by stuckinarut2 in

so, i am genuinely wondering if the above is possible nowdays?.

with the changes in the power structure of co's, the changes in gb directives re never questioning "jehovah's appointed channel etc", i wonder if "disciplne can be given out in absence?.

i know that several elders in our cong have little "discussions" about my apparant slackening off, and would love to take action against me... they have tried to chat with me but that has been shot down.. so i wonder if they could just make a decision without me being present for it?

Village Idiot

I was df'd in absentia. Not even an invitation. At least you're no longer stuck in a rut.

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Who Is Engineering the Re-branding of Jehovahs Witnesses

by millie210 in

is it an outside source?.

an inside job?

maybe the younger gb "helpers"?.

Village Idiot

millie, I found something interesting at http://www.silentlambs.org/Denmarklawsuit.htm.

"The Jehovah’s Witness Public Relations Official, J. R. Brown actually suggested to media that the reason members were disfellowshipped was due to possible sexual sins or theft. As a result of these comments, Joe and Barbara Anderson filed a $20 million dollar lawsuit for slander and the reversal of the disfellowshipping decree."

It makes me think that they had PR men all along. Still, I believe that the changes in the Watchtower came from another PR, one that specializes in this kind of stuff. The Governing Body must have been desperate in seeking and following advice.

By the way, can you provide a link to the Mormon version of Caleb and Sophia?